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Danielle Morgan's avatar

I love what you said about messy sanctification. I too have been frustrated with how the Christian community hides and shames when real people are battling real issues. In 2010, I had an affair. My husband and I went thru an incredibly difficult time before, during and after that season and thru Gods mercy we just celebrated 20 years of marriage. But this is a part of my story I don’t share with most and if I really think about it, it’s probably because of the judgement I received from my Christian brothers and sisters. People are quick to assume when they have no idea what’s really going on.

Anyway, it’s brave to be open about our struggles and even downfalls sometimes, especially when we can point them back to the redemptive work God has done in our lives. Pride tells us “I would never do that” but learning what we are capable of offers a level of humility that is life changing.

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Jonathon M. Seidl's avatar

Dang, thanks for sharing that Danielle! I'm actually working with a woman right now to tell her own story of infidelity and redemption. God can redeem anything!

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Christina Lynn Wallace's avatar

In a culture where Christian leaders are only “coming clean” when their sin is revealed against their will, I am SO refreshed by your openness to share your humanity precisely because God asked you to. It’s beautiful how God’s version of obedience actually unlocks our chains. There is so much freedom, won by Christ for us, in doing what you just did. Well done, Jon. Bless you.

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Jonathon M. Seidl's avatar

The simultaneous freedom as well as fear is mind-boggling. Thanks, Christina.

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Caroline Beidler, MSW's avatar

Beyond excited for you, Jon. Take a deep breath and know that your honesty and vulnerability is opening up doors for others to walk through.

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Jonathon M. Seidl's avatar

Your support has meant the WORLD to me, Caroline!

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Bill Mize's avatar

Dear Jon

Thank you so much for sharing and being vulnerable and leaning on those that support you as well as the Lord who will support you during these times. I wanted to let you know about a Christ centered 12 step program that I attend - Celebrate Recovery - there are meetings everywhere! I encourage you to seek them out and start meeting your new forever family! God bless!

- Bill

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Lorraine Groom's avatar

Amen to Celebrate Recovery. I wasn't drinking for a couple of years but there was absolutely no joy in my life until a Celebrate recovery group started near me. Now I really do Celebrate recovery not just not drink.

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Bill Mize's avatar

Hallelujah, Lorraine! I love that Celebrate Recovery is for ANY "hurt, habit, or hang-up"! Alcohol, drugs, porn, codependency, eating disorders, control issues, anger issues, anything and everything is possible with the support of our Lord and others!

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Jonathon M. Seidl's avatar

Thanks, Bill. I have heard about Celebrate Recovery, and appreciate you reminding me. I'll be talking soon about my own path, and can't wait to share it.

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Jake Owensby's avatar

Thanks for sharing Jon! You’re part of a pretty big group. I’ve got 20+ years. When some of us get together my friend likes to say, “The person here with the most sobriety is the one who got up first.” Grateful for what God is doing in you.

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Heather Clark's avatar

Jon,

I knew there was a reason I felt led to subscribe and support your Substack. You are still my only paid subscription.

I don’t understand the pain of alcohol addiction, but I certainly understand God calling us out into deep waters, the temptation to say No and then the fear, trepidation and vulnerability, as well as the power, calling and blessings of saying “yes”.

I’m praying for you and lifting you up, brother. Thank you for saying Yes to God’s calling on your life. Thank you for refusing to hide in fear and hypocrisy. Today you step out of the boat onto the raging sea. Keep your eyes always and only on Jesus, who says to you, “Come”. Do not get distracted by the waves of people’s advice, opinions and feedback. You are following Jesus into deep waters, and he will always be there to sustain you, to encourage you, and to pull you out when you get distracted and start to sink.

Lifting you up in prayer, my brother, today especially. I’m honored to walk this faith road with brothers and sisters who endorse and express and share this life of “messy spirituality” with me. You are my people. Sending you so much love.

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Jonathon M. Seidl's avatar

Well, you got me all teared up. I am so humbled by your support, Heather. Thank you.

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Heather Clark's avatar

Here's my take on 2 Corinthians 12:9-10 https://sunflowerchristiancoaching.substack.com/p/brag-postbut-its-not-what-you-think

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Heather Clark's avatar

2 Corinthians 12:9-10: “But he said to me, “My grace is sufficient for you, for my power is made perfect in weakness.” Therefore I will boast all the more gladly about my weaknesses, so that Christ’s power may rest on me. That is why, for Christ’s sake, I delight in weaknesses, in insults, in hardships, in persecutions, in difficulties. For when I am weak, then I am strong.”

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Steve Berman's avatar

Yes this. It’s why I won’t ever set foot in Las Vegas again. Even if it’s not for gambling, because the whole place is set up for people to gamble. I chase losses. I cannot gamble, even a nickel. Not ever again. Saying “no” up front to the path of temptation is much better than regretting why I fell.

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Jonathon M. Seidl's avatar

Steve, I had no idea! But I guess that's part of the lesson: we just don't know. Thanks for your words and transparency.

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Devon Comp's avatar

This is powerful. You are such a light in this world, Jon! Such a privilege being connected through Substack!

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Jonathon M. Seidl's avatar

Same, Devon!

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Lorraine Groom's avatar

Thank you for sharing your story. I too managed to be a Christian alcoholic for decades. I even worked as a reference librarian at a Christian college and was sloshed or hungover most of the time. I will certainly seek out your books and I look forward to the one you are writing now. This is a story that needs to be told. I think so many Christians struggle with addiction. We know it's wrong but we're successful at covering it up or at least think we are. I really do feel transparency is such a help to others who are still struggling. Thank you for your honesty.

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Jonathon M. Seidl's avatar

"We know it's wrong but we're successful at covering it up or at least think we are." Great point, Lorraine! So glad you found freedom as well. Thanks for being here.

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Iviana Bynum's avatar

I haven’t finished reading but I had to comment to say thank you. Just thank you for being real about messy sanctification. I can definitely identify with that.

I’ve been pondering a lot about community and have a started writing about looking at community as being in a community of recovery, joining hands with people from that lens rather than trying to find the most perfect people to hang around.

In reality, NONE of us are perfect. If we could only embrace that as Christians rather than pointing out the logs in the eyes of others. Oh how the world would change!!!

Again, thank you. 😌

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Jonathon M. Seidl's avatar

Can't wait to read what you put out there, Iviana!

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Iviana Bynum's avatar

Thank you! On Sunday I’ll be releasing the intro. 😳😅😁

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Allison Deraney's avatar

Jon - this share moved me deeply.

“knowing the truth, but not being able to live it out” - those are my words, too. I ran away from my problematic drinking for years. Telling myself I had it under control. Because for sometime I did. Until I didn’t. That threshold - crossing over to addiction, was a territory I was afraid to admit I occupied. But we are never alone in it. Once we open up and share our truths.

Your words and your book is going to save so many. And help so many feel seen. Thank you 🙏🏼

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Jonathon M. Seidl's avatar

Right?! It's incredible to look back now and see the slow fade, as well as the lies I told myself for years. Thanks for the support, Allison. Love what you do as well!

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Marsha's avatar

It's hard to imagine you would get backlash and judgement for sharing your story but reality tells me that unfortunately, legalism is still out there. You are likely going to receive some negative comments and feedback from your share.

I, on the other hand, find much encouragement from your transparency. It's rare. Christians hide things. I hide things. What can and will God do through your vulnerability? One will see.... but maybe it'll cause others who are struggling and hiding things, to be brave. And that bravery comes from a place of trusting God with the outcome. Your testimony is certainly one of trust. I truly appreciate you sharing and pray against any discouragement that may come your way.

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Jonathon M. Seidl's avatar

I really appreciate you, Marsha.

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Kitha Cockrell's avatar

The Truth has set You free!!!!!! YAY!!! All glory and praise to our all powerful almighty GOD!!!!!!

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Jonathon M. Seidl's avatar

Amen, Kitha!

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Kimber's avatar

Absolutely brave. Absolutely powerful. I look forward to reading your upcoming book and following along on your journey. Thank you for being real and sharing this struggle… I know it will help others.

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Jonathon M. Seidl's avatar

Honored to have you as part of this journey now too, Kimber.

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Kristen Turner's avatar

I will be emailing you. This post is so encouraging. I needed this post 10 years ago when I finally cried out to God about my drinking. I can’t wait to read your book and share it with others in my work as a Christian Counselor. Sobriety truly is the workroom where our dependence on God becomes real. One day at a time, one moment at a time, clinging to Jesus to sustain us.

Bless you for your courage.

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Jonathon M. Seidl's avatar

Wow, thank you Kristen. I’m eager to connect and hear your story!

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Traudiction's avatar

There is one of those great aphorisms in the programs of recovery 'We are only as sick as our secrets.' In my life that has be proven true over and over again. There is a gift in being vulnerable and open. I pray that you continue to find it true in your life.

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